The Sibling Happy Hour: Rihanna's Superbowl, Audre Lorde, and Dr. Pauli Murray

bruce_anthony: On today’s

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: episode is the sipping A hap.

j__aundrea: Take two.

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: That’s all that is. That’s all that is. Take

too.

bruce_anthony: On today’s episode is the sibling Happy Hour

with my sister J. We’re talking about black history facts, rereading the Super Bow and

just shooting breeze. But first things first, What upsets

j__aundrea: What up, brother.

bruce_anthony: how you feeling To day?

j__aundrea: I am good. We are recording this a day late.

but that’s that’s on me.

bruce_anthony: It’s not a day late because it’s still gonna

go out today.

j__aundrea: Okay.

bruce_anthony: We just recorded earlier.

j__aundrea: Got?

bruce_anthony: We just recorded the day before recording

it instead of the night. We’re recording in the morning, and I’ll edit it and put it out.

j__aundrea: Actually,

bruce_anthony: It’s not.

j__aundrea: Actually, I shouldn’t have said nothing because

I’m in the middle of my work day

bruce_anthony: M.

j__aundrea: and the last thing I want is my boss to be

like your cording podcast one company time, So

bruce_anthony: You think you think your boss is really paying

attention to you like that?

j__aundrea: No, I don’t think any. I don’t think anybody.

our work. I never mentioned that I do the podcast at work because I don’t want

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: them listen

bruce_anthony: okay, I

j__aundrea: well.

bruce_anthony: kicked of time.

j__aundrea: I mean, I got some opinions on here

bruce_anthony: Oh yes,

j__aundrea: that. maybe

bruce_anthony: well, that’s the reason why we do the

j__aundrea: a

bruce_anthony: after hours

j__aundrea: yeah,

bruce_anthony: once again. here’s a plug. Join our patron

page for five dollars, and you all better join quick, because the price of the brick

is going up like you’re not going to keep getting it for five dollars.

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: It’s gonna be basically to the end of this

month in the week end, the month of February, with five dollars where you can get the after

hours. the after our show it’s uncensored. We be talking a lot of issue on there and

my person Show talking straight ish unsensered. We do that twice a week.

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: It’s only on our patron page. It’s exclusive

to our patroon page. You can’t get it nowhere else and you get the wrong rail and

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: you miss it out because even Dad, Dad was

watching it and he was like You all cuss a lot. You all funny, but you’re all cuss a

lot and I

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: was like Yeah, Because we

j__aundrea: mom,

bruce_anthony: talking

j__aundrea: Mom called me

bruce_anthony: H.

j__aundrea: and said

bruce_anthony: H.

j__aundrea: you all have nasty mouths Special Was I said

we shoot. Don’t listen. Now. what to tell you?

bruce_anthony: Hey, look that’s hey. We give you the wrong

real. So

j__aundrea: Apples Not fall far from the tree

bruce_anthony: Look, they fell right there at the tree

j__aundrea: At the tree.

bruce_anthony: right at the base,

j__aundrea: Didn’t

bruce_anthony: just

j__aundrea: roll

bruce_anthony: looking up

j__aundrea: nowhere

bruce_anthony: learning this from you.

j__aundrea: right, fell right through the branches.

bruce_anthony: So that’s where we really be going in on stuff.

So I think

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: your job. I

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: think.

j__aundrea: no, no, no, no, they’re not going to hear

that part.

bruce_anthony: Well, I mean, let’s get to it

j__aundrea: All right,

bruce_anthony: The Super Bowl

j__aundrea: I thought I could go my whole life without

bruce_anthony: Time out your whole life.

j__aundrea: Thinking about what happened on the twelfth,

you know, and I know from the last episode I made a prediction that the eagles

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: were

bruce_anthony: you

j__aundrea: going

bruce_anthony: show

j__aundrea: to win.

bruce_anthony: enough. dad.

j__aundrea: I’ve been an Eagle’s fan since I was sixteen

years old. and then they didn’t win. That that episode did not age well.

bruce_anthony: No, it didn’t

j__aundrea: My prediction was wrong. You know, it was

right. Untide, maybe the last ten minutes of the game. Ah, and that’s you know. That’s

the crucial tepbtit’shere’s. here’s Here’s what I think if you win a game, letting the

clock run out, And that’s I don’t like that

bruce_anthony: That’s winning.

j__aundrea: play. I know, but I don’t like that.

bruce_anthony: Okay

j__aundrea: And you know what, if the Eagles had done

it, I would have loved it, but since they

bruce_anthony: Right?

j__aundrea: didn’t

bruce_anthony: So

j__aundrea: I

bruce_anthony: what

j__aundrea: don’t

bruce_anthony: do you

j__aundrea: like.

bruce_anthony: talking about?

j__aundrea: Oh

bruce_anthony: They go ronin Ronny jiggling,

j__aundrea: Jangling. You know what, if I let her out

the room and I closed the door, then you would hear her winding, So sometimes

bruce_anthony: You can always just take off a collar.

j__aundrea: I keep forgetting to do that one. come in,

baby, No, she’s not listening. That’s okay. She doesn’t listen to me like gentlemen. I

have literally had this dog for three years. She just turned four on Super Bowl Sunday,

And

bruce_anthony: That’s

j__aundrea: did,

bruce_anthony: okay. Tell the people the truth about Rone’s

birthday

j__aundrea: I don’t know when it is.

bruce_anthony: Right

j__aundrea: She’s

bruce_anthony: so

j__aundrea: a Rick.

bruce_anthony: instead of having it on the same day every

year,

j__aundrea: She was found on the side of the road on Super

Bowl Sunday. Come here because you’re geting on my nerves, baby. I love you, but you’re

geting on my nerves. I love you so much. Give me this collar. You don’t get a head that

she doesn’t like being naked.

bruce_anthony: You sound, you sound and look so much like

the young Anti right now.

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: Look if you’re watching

j__aundrea: fully

bruce_anthony: the video.

j__aundrea: that I have fully embraced my auntie Hood

fully and

bruce_anthony: Oh,

j__aundrea: am in my anti era and I love it. All I do

is listen to old school Arn, and give all my nieces and nephews money be cash at. That’s

all I do. I love it.

bruce_anthony: Oh, that’s hilarious.

j__aundrea: Have zero complaints. I got chains on my glasses

because I

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: love my glasses. Got little anti haircut

bruce_anthony: Yes, you did.

j__aundrea: fully in moti era.

bruce_anthony: You got the hair cut like until you’re gonna

be at the at the barbecue, all, baby. I’m not gonna be able to make

j__aundrea: I’m

bruce_anthony: it.

j__aundrea: not

bruce_anthony: I’m

j__aundrea: gonna

bruce_anthony: going on my cruise

j__aundrea: make

bruce_anthony: this

j__aundrea: it,

bruce_anthony: year.

j__aundrea: but you know what, Check your cash up.

bruce_anthony: You know you all. Have you

j__aundrea: That’s

bruce_anthony: all? have

j__aundrea: it.

bruce_anthony: got all the people that’s listening to the

audio. You got to check us out on video. because just the expressions, the facial expressions

that we use me constantly talking with my hands. The stuff is funny. On

j__aundrea: You

bruce_anthony: Top

j__aundrea: do?

bruce_anthony: of the words, the visual was funny.

j__aundrea: You don’t just talk with your hands though,

Bruce, you flail

bruce_anthony: I know

j__aundrea: like

bruce_anthony: I know,

j__aundrea: you literally are just this. I wish I could

see what I’m doing, so go to the Youtube and check it out.

bruce_anthony: Go to the Youtube.

j__aundrea: He flails.

bruce_anthony: But it’s it’s always it’s

j__aundrea: Why are

bruce_anthony: it’s

j__aundrea: they so high up?

bruce_anthony: They’re not high up. They just hit my face.

j__aundrea: Bring them

bruce_anthony: It’s

j__aundrea: down.

bruce_anthony: not like I’m raising them above my head.

j__aundrea: Bring them down. bring your hands down. At

least like you know, Like shoulder height chest level.

bruce_anthony: Wouldn’t

j__aundrea: While

bruce_anthony: though, Because the arm rests,

j__aundrea: here

bruce_anthony: the arm rested right here on the chair, so

j__aundrea: Okay,

bruce_anthony: like they propped up on the arm rest. So you

know

j__aundrea: I haven’t.

bruce_anthony: maybe I should get a chair that don’t have

arm rest. I don’t know. I’m still gonna talk with my hands. That’s just

j__aundrea: Why

bruce_anthony: what I do

j__aundrea: his arm breast. They’re just at a normal height.

bruce_anthony: Well

j__aundrea: Why are you’re so high

bruce_anthony: because

j__aundrea: that

bruce_anthony: I’m sitting

j__aundrea: you have

bruce_anthony: on the

j__aundrea: to

bruce_anthony: throne. I’m sitting on the throne because

I’m gonna label myself King James like, like La Bran did. By the way, I have a whole conversation

about that on Talker Straight is once again on our Patriot page. Look, I’m telling you,

the price of the brick

j__aundrea: Playing

bruce_anthony: is

j__aundrea: games?

bruce_anthony: going up. The price the price of the brick

is going. Were sitting out tons of content

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: tonsso.

j__aundrea: all doing? stop playing games.

bruce_anthony: Unfortunately, your Philadelphia Eagles lost

j__aundrea: We lost. You know it’s okay and here’s why

I feel like it’s okay when I first started watching football And you know we’re from

D. C. So what games do we get? We obviously get well. They’re the commanders. Now

bruce_anthony: Commanders now, eh,

j__aundrea: we get the Cowboys, we get the Giants and

we get the Eagles.

bruce_anthony: Hm,

j__aundrea: I did it like Washington,

bruce_anthony: No, nobody did.

j__aundrea: a damn show. Like the Cowboys,

bruce_anthony: No.

j__aundrea: half of our family are Giants fans.

bruce_anthony: Yep,

j__aundrea: But it was something about the Eagles during

the big nab years and

bruce_anthony: Because

j__aundrea: that

bruce_anthony: you had to crush on Mac nab, right.

j__aundrea: I did not absolutely not know.

bruce_anthony: Okay,

j__aundrea: but,

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: but it was the underdog status that they had

that I

bruce_anthony: But

j__aundrea: really

bruce_anthony: they weren’t

j__aundrea: was drawn

bruce_anthony: They weren’t

j__aundrea: to

bruce_anthony: under dogs.

j__aundrea: that year they were,

bruce_anthony: Okay, all right,

j__aundrea: and then our coach at the time, of course,

was Andy, Who I adore and who is the coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. So you know what?

I’m glad Andy got a ring. I’m not that.

bruce_anthony: He’s got

j__aundrea: Bring number two. I

bruce_anthony: you

j__aundrea: got.

bruce_anthony: bring me to.

j__aundrea: Um, but you know we got our ring, you know,

and then also,

bruce_anthony: Oh, yeah, a few years ago you all got one.

That’s

j__aundrea: yeah,

bruce_anthony: right.

j__aundrea: we beat the Patriots and also you know. So

now Jason Kelsey

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: has a ring and his brother Travis has a ring,

So that was nice and their mother was absolutely adorable In her half Chief’s half

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: Eagles jacket, Which I kind of want. that

jacket. That jacket was fresh as hell.

bruce_anthony: I think

j__aundrea: I don’t know if

bruce_anthony: they

j__aundrea: you

bruce_anthony: had

j__aundrea: saw

bruce_anthony: that.

j__aundrea: that jacket.

bruce_anthony: No, I didn’t. I think they had that specially

made for her.

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: I love the fact they love their mamma and

they

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: love each other

j__aundrea: yes,

bruce_anthony: so much

j__aundrea: yes,

bruce_anthony: so

j__aundrea: When they

bruce_anthony: much.

j__aundrea: both, when they both, I’ve seen the video

and they both saw their mother and they just was like Mother.

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: I love that.

bruce_anthony: yeah,

j__aundrea: Yeah, it was great. It was a good game though,

but I mean hell it was. It was a good game.

bruce_anthony: It was a good game And then also somebody

else came out of retirement. Re re returned.

j__aundrea: Rare was not retired.

bruce_anthony: No, she

j__aundrea: Who are you talking about?

bruce_anthony: reread was retired. She hain’t done no music

in twenty years.

j__aundrea: She don’t have to number one. She’s

bruce_anthony: No,

j__aundrea: a billion.

bruce_anthony: now, when you one point four billion,

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: I just looked it up like she’s J. S is one

point three.

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: She’s at one point four.

j__aundrea: Yes, savage by Fanti and find beauty, Sisa

sat Okay, She don’t have to do nothing and she don’t. Oh nobody. nothing.

bruce_anthony: And and she, I’m sure performed like I enjoyed

it, but she

j__aundrea: I

bruce_anthony: was

j__aundrea: joyed

bruce_anthony: definitely.

j__aundrea: it.

bruce_anthony: She was definitely performing like. Hey, here,

you’ll go ahead and take this real fast and this is all you get

j__aundrea: Well, listen, okay, I get you know, Beyond

say, will be pregnant and jumping around and heels and stuff, But that’s beyond saying.

she’s literally one in a million and Ran is also one in a million, And

bruce_anthony: Right.

j__aundrea: I love that Riana is a different type of Deva

and she’s like You’ll gonna get what I gave you type.

bruce_anthony: Uh,

j__aundrea: And that’s I feel that in my spirit,

bruce_anthony: Right.

j__aundrea: and and I Solutely love it. I love the show.

Some people said she was giving us reproductive justice. I don’t think. I think that was just

her birth story. I mean, it was clear like she was in red and there was little white

hooded people swarming all around

bruce_anthony: Oh,

j__aundrea: her.

bruce_anthony: you know what,

j__aundrea: I think it was just her announcing that she’s

pregnant again. That’s what. I think.

bruce_anthony: And then, a sap of a blood. that could just

be that he’s a blood.

j__aundrea: No, No, it was definitely sperm and her

bruce_anthony: Okay,

j__aundrea: at first she was up above the. There was.

There’s a tick tock of a lady going through the different stages and then they swarmed

around her and then and then the cape was on and it was a whole thing

bruce_anthony: Uh,

j__aundrea: so, but yeah, there was a. There was definitely

a theme to it.

bruce_anthony: I didn’t pick up on it. I was just looking

at. Er,

j__aundrea: Yeah, I mean she was gorgeous.

bruce_anthony: Always has been.

j__aundrea: She was gorgeous and pregnant and glowing,

and she won’t you all damp that. And now that she’s pregnant again, you’re not gonna get

that album. You’re not gonna get it like, you’re just not gonna get it.

bruce_anthony: No,

j__aundrea: She’s not gonna do it.

bruce_anthony: I don’t think she needs to make any more music.

She’s made enough I conic music that

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: she’s good.

j__aundrea: yeah,

bruce_anthony: She’s got so many number one hits

j__aundrea: yeah,

bruce_anthony: like she’s good.

j__aundrea: yeah,

bruce_anthony: And am I a Reina fan? I mean, Yeah, I guess

I’m a Reina fan because I listened to her music.

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: Um, yeah, I’m a Rien fan because I’m gonna

be on fan and I don’t know why the two always have to be compared. They don’t need to be

compared. They could live separately.

j__aundrea: They’re very

bruce_anthony: That

j__aundrea: different.

bruce_anthony: could be mutually exclusive.

j__aundrea: You’re

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: getting. You’re getting a different sound.

You’re getting a different vive. They’re very different. I don’t even know why I compare

them just now. I don’t know.

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: I think

bruce_anthony: I

j__aundrea: because

bruce_anthony: mean because

j__aundrea: they

bruce_anthony: you do it

j__aundrea: formed pregnant.

bruce_anthony: and they both have a connection with J. S.

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: J. S is the. I know you’re gonna kill me for

saying this. J is his son in which state orbit, because he kind of he definitely put Ribon,

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: and Bence has only

j__aundrea: her.

bruce_anthony: grown bigger. Yeah, and Bianca s only grown

bigger through her association with J. S.

j__aundrea: I don’t believe. I wholehearted

bruce_anthony: Heard

j__aundrea: disagree.

bruce_anthony: as a sole artist, She wasn’t you seem to forget.

after she left Destiny’s Child, she was kind of floating. Remember, she was active for

a while and nobody even brings that up any more. She was acting for a while.

j__aundrea: Well, that’s because, listen and please don’t

get at me,

bruce_anthony: Uh,

j__aundrea: because I know how you are. You like to tustle.

Um, but the truth is she plays herself. She plays a beautiful singer in every film that

she does. I mean,

bruce_anthony: Not in

j__aundrea: and

bruce_anthony: not Austin Powers,

j__aundrea: yes, golden, she was singing and she was beautiful

bruce_anthony: Uh,

j__aundrea: in the beginning

bruce_anthony: she’s always beautiful.

j__aundrea: Gold, Gold is gold. she was singing and she

was a beautiful singer. In that, as

bruce_anthony: You want to? You want her to be Johnnie Deppanhiter

beauty, Johnny Dep is the only one that’s always changing his face.

j__aundrea: She only did that one movie,

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: I can’t remember the name of it, but it was

with Idrasllba and he had like a stalker. Something that was trying to that, was in

love with him and trying to take his place, And Bence played his wife, and she beat the

hell out that girl at the end. That was the only movie that I can remember, but Catala

records

bruce_anthony: Yeah, okay, you’re

j__aundrea: all

bruce_anthony: right.

j__aundrea: of that. I mean, What’s the dream girls? All

that? I mean. she’s playing a beautiful singer all the time. It’s not that

bruce_anthony: I’m just

j__aundrea: I met.

bruce_anthony: saying her single career wasn’t really popping

until her and J S got together because J Z at that time was a bigger star.

j__aundrea: Yes. I would say yes. She did use him for

Cloud initially, but the career that she’s built.

bruce_anthony: That’s that’s all her. I’m just saying,

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: I’m just saying He kind of gave he gave her

a boost

j__aundrea: Yes, they did a

bruce_anthony: because

j__aundrea: couple collapse together in the beginning

and yeah, okay, I agree with that and then Rena. I’ve been a fan since some ponder re

play. Okay

bruce_anthony: Uh,

j__aundrea: because

bruce_anthony: uh,

j__aundrea: just lot that I was like, just a little. What

was this? Okay?

bruce_anthony: But you know what I love about ran people

people. I guess I don’t think people really were true friends of Rana. The ones that are

complaining about her performance, Because there are some people that complaining about

a performance like she ain’t

j__aundrea: M.

bruce_anthony: really doing nothing once she was pregnant,

and

j__aundrea: yeah,

bruce_anthony: too like Rena really never really does it

that she always acts like and it might not be. an actor might be reared that she is completely

unbothered. That’s kind

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: of her personality.

j__aundrea: yeah,

bruce_anthony: So

j__aundrea: which

bruce_anthony: I was

j__aundrea: is

bruce_anthony: like

j__aundrea: a kind of a dick.

bruce_anthony: I say that she.

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: I said, in my talking straight issue She has

r. B. F.

j__aundrea: No, like she really said some some some wild

stuff on Twitter. Sometimes,

bruce_anthony: Oh, I will follow on to. so

j__aundrea: yeah,

bruce_anthony: I guess I know.

j__aundrea: yeah,

bruce_anthony: What should we saying?

j__aundrea: An is kind of an internet, but sometimes

bruce_anthony: I can see that.

j__aundrea: she could be a dick, but you know that’s also

part of her appeal Is like she

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: care. She will clap back and she does not

care, And that’s

bruce_anthony: And I bet

j__aundrea: part of her appeal.

bruce_anthony: I bet people that know her know her. but like

you know, she’s he sweetest person in the world,

j__aundrea: Yeah, probably

bruce_anthony: But I love.

j__aundrea: I have that. I mean, I have that syndrome

of like, I’m nice to the people that I care about. But if I don’t care about you, I mean,

I really don’t care. You will be talking and half way through what you’re saying, walking

off because I don’t

bruce_anthony: Wait a bit. I ain’t never seen you do that

to people.

j__aundrea: Right, because I care about you. You are my

bruce_anthony: No,

j__aundrea: brother.

bruce_anthony: I’m not talking. I’m talking about with other

people like I’ve been around you and other people, and like we worked together for years,

so I’ve never saw you treating nobody like that.

j__aundrea: Uh, yeah, go back and ask the people at heart

Rock how my attitude was.

bruce_anthony: Okay,

j__aundrea: No, it was very much of. I’m setting these

people, and please get the hell out my face. I don’t know how many people I told to get

the hell out my host. And

bruce_anthony: Yah.

j__aundrea: like I don’t care about hat, you talk about

that. There was one guy we worked with. Initially, you, you felt threatened by him because he

was a new attractive black guy.

bruce_anthony: Oh, you always love telling this story

j__aundrea: Yes, but

bruce_anthony: and I and I never felt threatened by.

j__aundrea: You did. You said something

bruce_anthony: No.

j__aundrea: about it

bruce_anthony: what I say about it.

j__aundrea: when you first got there. You was like I don’t

like this.

bruce_anthony: Uh,

j__aundrea: You said something, but it was just very of

bruce_anthony: I did. I did that.

j__aundrea: green eyes. That was the only thing that was

really the only difference. Both of all was tall, black man who look it, but he had green

eyes and that was the difference. And but talking to him was like watching paint dry,

so I literally would just ignore this man because I didn’t want to get trapped in a

conversation with him.

bruce_anthony: A.

j__aundrea: Talk to me. I say it because you’re born and

I walked away. I’m very protective

bruce_anthony: M.

j__aundrea: of my time.

bruce_anthony: M,

j__aundrea: Don’t waste my time.

bruce_anthony: My right. We’re getting sidetracked.

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: Let’s go back to reread.

j__aundrea: yes,

bruce_anthony: I enjoyed the performance. I was happy about

the performance. I don’t understand. I think some people just want to complain just to

complain

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: because it was

j__aundrea: they

bruce_anthony: complaining

j__aundrea: were going to complain

bruce_anthony: about.

j__aundrea: regardless.

bruce_anthony: Yeah, they were gonna put because everybody

says that the super ve can to woke. That’s another subject that we’re gonna talk about

that in the after. I was sure we aint gonna talk about it right here

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: because I got some things already said

j__aundrea: I

bruce_anthony: it

j__aundrea: got

bruce_anthony: on my

j__aundrea: cuss

bruce_anthony: talking

j__aundrea: about

bruce_anthony: is.

j__aundrea: that

bruce_anthony: Yeah, I said some stuff on my talking is show,

but I got more to say So once again, Jon Patro on page, because I keep telling you all the

price of the brick.

j__aundrea: Turns the

bruce_anthony: and if

j__aundrea: side.

bruce_anthony: you don’t understand what I say when I say

the price of the brick, that’s that you know the brick. That’s a drug dealing term. Not

to say, we drunk. we ain’t drunk is, but it’s a drug deal in terms, And the brick

j__aundrea: I

bruce_anthony: is

j__aundrea: was thinking

bruce_anthony: that keloococane.

j__aundrea: about it.

bruce_anthony: Don’t think about it, And that brick is that

Kala, the cocaine and the price of the brick is going up, meaning the price of the membership

is going to go up, because it’s too

j__aundrea: Hm.

bruce_anthony: much content that we’re giving out At this

price. But I wanted give it that this price because the day wins people that’s been sticking

with us. You know this is.

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: this is our twenty first. Where this is the

twenty first, Unsolicited perspectives show.

j__aundrea: That’s nice. It can drink now, right,

bruce_anthony: Well, actually, it’s the twenty second, but

that first one.

j__aundrea: Um,

bruce_anthony: You know what I’m

j__aundrea: kay.

bruce_anthony: You know what I’m gonna edit. Re, edit that

first one and put it on the patroon page. That’s

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: that’s That’s what I’m gonna do.

j__aundrea: No one did you keep talking about about the

sound being bad and everybody?

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: What was that show?

bruce_anthony: look, I can finally fix the sound so

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: I just need to find that file. It’s on

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: the other computer. I just need to find that

file and go ahead and do that.

j__aundrea: Put it out there.

bruce_anthony: Ah, put it out there. But yeah, we’ll talk

about that other stuff about the super that people criticize in the Super Bowl being too

woke on the after hours episode because

j__aundrea: Yeah.

bruce_anthony: I got. Hey, J. I got some things to say, but

any final

j__aundrea: Yeah.

bruce_anthony: thoughts

j__aundrea: I mean.

bruce_anthony: on reread

j__aundrea: yeah, I mean for the people who are like,

she didn’t do much. First of all, Rianna is not a dancer.

bruce_anthony: Never has been.

j__aundrea: Never has been.

bruce_anthony: She does

j__aundrea: Um,

bruce_anthony: gyrations that make

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: you. That makes the crowd pop.

j__aundrea: Yes, her songs are bobs. You can dance, too,

but she herself is not a dancer. And my thing is, you wouldn’t expect if like Adele was

doing the Super Bowl, that she would be out there, pop Lock and dropping like you wouldn’t

expect it. So I don’t know again. I think it’s people conflating her with performers

like beans,

bruce_anthony: Hm,

j__aundrea: and I’m like, No, she’s different. She’s a

different bibe. It’s going to be a different performance. I think anybody who has seen

her perform will be like, Oh yeah, this makes this whole show makes sense. If you think

about how Riana is, Plus she’s pregnant,

bruce_anthony: Right,

j__aundrea: plus she don’t get. really. Go down by Don.

Al.

bruce_anthony: Not not a one. not a single one.

j__aundrea: Yeah, you got the show You got. It was high

concept and it was cool. the platforms like just

bruce_anthony: M.

j__aundrea: the choreography of the platforms going up.

And the thing it was cool. I thought

bruce_anthony: It was dangerous too.

j__aundrea: No, they were all harnessed in.

bruce_anthony: I don’t care.

j__aundrea: I wouldn’t have done it.

bruce_anthony: Yeah, I wouldn’t have

j__aundrea: I

bruce_anthony: done

j__aundrea: would

bruce_anthony: it.

j__aundrea: have done it, and I’m gonna tell you, some

half the people, eighty eight percent of of people who was talking cash is a bout. that

show wouldn’t have got on them down platforms. either.

bruce_anthony: Oh,

j__aundrea: Ah,

bruce_anthony: no,

j__aundrea: no,

bruce_anthony: I don’t know if you could pay me enough to

go up and down like that.

j__aundrea: But Rana got her pregnant behind up on the

platforms for you and you got the nerve. the goal.

bruce_anthony: Don’t even get paid for it.

j__aundrea: The

bruce_anthony: Doing

j__aundrea: audacity

bruce_anthony: it for the doing it for the culture.

j__aundrea: doing it for the love of you. For the nerve

for you, And you, who got the goal? The audacity

bruce_anthony: M. M.

j__aundrea: Where do you get off? We love you, Riana.

bruce_anthony: Let

j__aundrea: re.

bruce_anthony: you re read. All right Is keeping up with

our black history. Then we’re going to talk about Audrey Lord. Now

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: I know you know about Audrey Lord. I

j__aundrea: I

bruce_anthony: know

j__aundrea: do.

bruce_anthony: a little bit about Ude Lord. I wonder if the

people know about Audrey Lad, and if you don’t know about Audrlod, we’re goin. give you some

of the facts. So just a little bit about her. She was born in nineteen thirty four. She

lived until nineteen ninety two. She was born in Harlem, Us,

j__aundrea: Hallam, baby,

bruce_anthony: After the black write, after the Holland renissence,

She didn’t really grow up. I mean, she kind of grew up during the Holland renasence, but

not really. She was born to Coribian immigrant parents. She was a black feminist poets, Civil

Rice actress. She was known for her contributions in the feminist movement and her writing on

race, ginger, sexuality and social justice. She didn’t coin the phrase That is actually

on one of our podcasts that I missed. I missed That. I know you hate to wear my speak, but

I misspoke and said

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: it was inter sexuality.

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: What I call it?

j__aundrea: I think you did.

bruce_anthony: Yeah, I said it was intersexuality,

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: but its intersection ality section,

j__aundrea: yes,

bruce_anthony: not sexuality,

j__aundrea: yes,

bruce_anthony: Um. She attending Hunder college, She later

earned a masses degree in library science at Columbia University. Right end. She started

publishing poetry in nineteen sixties. She did a lot of stuff as far as arguing about

the women’s movement and making sure that it was all inclusive. In other words, the

feminist movement you’ve talked about this often and you can get into more and depth

about how the Fimins Move movement is divided in the sections right. It’s people

j__aundrea: M.

bruce_anthony: of color and then there, white women. They’re

fighting

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: for the same things, but not in the same way

and not together. And she was expressing this all the way back in Sixty Was like you, We’re

all fighting for the same things. Don’t piece us out, Becaus. You don’t want to include

this. We all need to be included in this fight. So she’s a. She’s a pioneer, as far as what

she was fighting for, And she was the first one because she was a lesbian. She was the

first one fighting for the l, g b T community, specifically the Q community, and Trans, because

They’ve been marginalized since since the beginning, like since the since since the

beginning of the beginning, Like and here we are. She’s talking

j__aundrea: Dave.

bruce_anthony: about the right they won and not they on membership

on our patron page like they

j__aundrea: Oh

bruce_anthony: won

j__aundrea: my God,

bruce_anthony: if

j__aundrea: and

bruce_anthony: I

j__aundrea: I’m

bruce_anthony: pluck.

j__aundrea: getting tired of that now. Yeah,

bruce_anthony: But but she was talking about this in the

sixes on is funny. The things that she was talking bout fighting for are still things

that we’re talking about and fighting for now. And

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: I know you. you really love a lot of her works.

Do you have the Sister outsider or the cancer

j__aundrea: You

bruce_anthony: journals?

j__aundrea: have a copy. I do have a copy of Sister outside

or yes,

bruce_anthony: What is that about? Can you tell people what

that is about and what she? You know, what she was trying to convey in some of her books,

j__aundrea: Yeah, so Sister Outsider is actually a collection

of some of her essays, and as well as well as some of her speeches,

bruce_anthony: M.

j__aundrea: and there is different different things that

she talks about in there, but it’s mostly centered around the need for high lighting.

the voices of marginalized groups, especially within feminism, Um, a real. One of her Most

famous essays, The Master’s Tools will never dismantle The Master’s House,

bruce_anthony: Yes,

j__aundrea: talked

bruce_anthony: that.

j__aundrea: about making sure that races theory is included

in feminist theory, and that the eraser of race within feminism is Um, not really serving

anybody,

bruce_anthony: Hm.

j__aundrea: and that we can’t S the same white supremasis

tools to combat feminism because it leaves a large section of women out. so

bruce_anthony: You know. that’s an interesting concept and

me being the historian, as you like to put. No, I’m not a history major. I’m a historian.

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: That the reason why the civil Rights Act was

passed before the Voting Rights Act is because L. B J realized that he had to piece meal

in order to get it passed. That it was asking for too much all the same time, and there

were a lot of black activis at the time. There were like No, we need all of this It now and

he was saying, Look, we’re gonna. You’re gonna get all of it, but you ain’t gonna get all

of it right now, so I’m wondering if that was an attitude of a lot of white America

during this time that we’re fighting fool rights, like the white feminists who were

eliminating race from that feminist movement where they saying to themselves, whether subconsciously

or or not that Hey look, we got to get this thing done for us first, and when we Get it

done for us, we’re gonna pull you ahead. I don’t know if that’s the right strategy, but

I know it did work for L. B. J. And but the only problem is is we’re not. We don’t want

to wait. no more. we don’t want. We don’t want to wait no more. we want it now,

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: But it’s funny when you go through out history.

I’m not saying which one is right and which one is wrong. I’m just saying there’s different

ways to look at it, but to also l. B, J. H Plan. he said, I’m gonna do this and then

I’m gonna do that. I wonder if those white fitmanists who were eliminating race from

the issue had that plan as well, Or was it just like Hey were just looking out for ourselves?

j__aundrea: I wish that I could tell you

bruce_anthony: I wish I could have

j__aundrea: what.

bruce_anthony: the answer. I mean, it’s just we won’t know

the answer right, like we would have to go back in time and ain’t neither one of us can

the conqueror, So we would have to go back in time and ask them an interview. and who

knows if they would even be truthful or not, but I’m just it’s just a thought.

j__aundrea: Yeah, you’re back again, so I wish I could

tell you. I heard what you said. I did not, but

bruce_anthony: Uh.

j__aundrea: because it was an issue with the internet

and I didn’t

bruce_anthony: Oh,

j__aundrea: hear none of that so, but it did say that

it recorded. normally,

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: Um,

bruce_anthony: I told

j__aundrea: your

bruce_anthony: you

j__aundrea: video

bruce_anthony: the program

j__aundrea: went out again.

bruce_anthony: the program does record. Normally.

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: Yeah, your internet is wayshotty right now

as probably because.

j__aundrea: No, I am. My internet is amazing. I don’t

know what it’s you. It’s not me

bruce_anthony: Oh, you know it. it is me, because the ethon

that fell out.

j__aundrea: There

bruce_anthony: O.

j__aundrea: you go with that back end. I didn’t. You Probably

made an excellent point just now. I don’t know what it was, But you know what. That’s

That’s you know. Internet,

bruce_anthony: All right,

j__aundrea: that’s podcast

bruce_anthony: What was?

j__aundrea: that’s recording

bruce_anthony: what was the last thing that you heard?

j__aundrea: live

bruce_anthony: What was the

j__aundrea: Still

bruce_anthony: last thing you heard?

j__aundrea: can’t understand you whatsoever. You sure

you plugged at thing that back in?

bruce_anthony: Yeah, now because I’m looking at it right

now.

j__aundrea: Huh?

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: Nope,

bruce_anthony: I’m looking at it right now. Then it’s not

me. then it’s you.

j__aundrea: It’s not me, man,

bruce_anthony: Is Adam working right now?

j__aundrea: Huh,

bruce_anthony: Is Adam working right now?

j__aundrea: No,

bruce_anthony: Are you signed on to your

j__aundrea: I don’t.

bruce_anthony: work computer?

j__aundrea: I don’t see you at all. My work computer is

plugged into the ether net. My computers got full bars on here, Man,

bruce_anthony: Well, I’m tagged in. What was the last thing

that you heard?

j__aundrea: You started to talk about L. B, J, but you

made a whole point. I ain’t hear

bruce_anthony: All

j__aundrea: none

bruce_anthony: right?

j__aundrea: of it.

bruce_anthony: Can you hear me now?

j__aundrea: Yes, I just can’t

bruce_anthony: Okay,

j__aundrea: see,

bruce_anthony: all right. I’ll cut all of this out. That’s

not that big ideal, so

j__aundrea: And

bruce_anthony: let

j__aundrea: now

bruce_anthony: me go

j__aundrea: your

bruce_anthony: back

j__aundrea: audio

bruce_anthony: to it.

j__aundrea: went out again. Let me No, my wife, my wife

is strong broth.

bruce_anthony: Let me cancel this and then start it up again,

j__aundrea: Okay,

bruce_anthony: All right?

j__aundrea: all right?

bruce_anthony: All right back to what I was saying about

l. l B J. Because you had some technical difficulties, you tried to

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: play it on my end in that, but it was it was

yours.

j__aundrea: It was me. it was me. You know, I take that

all right.

bruce_anthony: All right. So basically what I was saying

about L B J was It’s funny when you look at Uhaurdrew Lord, and expressing how you can’t

take the racial element out of the feminist movement,

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: and L B J had to break up the civil rights

in the Voting Rights Act, because he knew as a complete package would be passed would

not be passed. So what he did was he passed the Civil Rights Act. First, he peacemaled

it, and

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: then did the voting righ To act, And black

activenis at the time were like, No, You need to do both of them at the same time, and he

was saying, Look, these dixicrats is not gonna go for that.

j__aundrea: Right,

bruce_anthony: I got to get them a little bit, then wait

a little bit longer, and then get the other one past. I can get them both past, But you’ve

got to be patient, And then when I was saying it was like, I wonder subconsciously or not

if some of the white feminists who were taking race out of it, we’re doing kind of the same

thing. Hey, we’re gonna get ours first and then we’re gonna bring you long.

j__aundrea: No,

bruce_anthony: I don’t know. I don’t. That’s what I’m saying.

I don’t think that was the case.

j__aundrea: No, because the suffrage movement for women’s

right to vote was extremely races, and that’s why you

bruce_anthony: M.

j__aundrea: have sojourner Truth with her famous speech.

Ain’t I a woman? Because

bruce_anthony: M.

j__aundrea: they are being left out because poor women,

black women, queer women. Of course, that wasn’t in the time of sojourn or truth. That

wasn’t

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: we want to

bruce_anthony: right,

j__aundrea: talk about that, but Audrey Lord was, we’re

being left out of the conversation. But This is a common thing that happens to black women

when we talk about

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: feminism. That we’re talking about white women.

When we talk about racial justice, we’re talking about black men. So when we talk about l,

g, B, T. Q, were again talking about white gaze, So this is a common thing of black women

and fames being left out of the conversation. So

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: yeah, but I’ll read a short Quote from the

Master’s Tools wil never dismantle the Master’s House Age Lord writes, those of us who stand

outside the circle of society’s definition of acceptable women, those of

bruce_anthony: M,

j__aundrea: us who have been forged in the crucibles of

difference, Those of us who are poor who are lesbian who re black who are older, know that

survival is not an academic skill. It is learning how to take our differen Is and make them

strength. for the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house. They may allow

us to temporarily beat him at his own game, but they will never enable us to bring about

genuine change. It is this fact, Um, and this fact is only threatening to those women who

define the Master’s house as their only source of support which you had.

bruce_anthony: M.

j__aundrea: You had a friend talk to you. Um, a white

woman. That’s a friend of yours who said? What did she say something about?

bruce_anthony: Are you gonna make me bring out the quote

again? Hold on.

j__aundrea: You? Got the Oh, you got it on deck.

bruce_anthony: Yeah, I mean it. it’s in my text messages,

so it is. Don’t take that long to find it, but I need you to kill some time

j__aundrea: Uh.

bruce_anthony: as I try and find it, so keep keep on going.

j__aundrea: Well, anyway, we were talking about this as

we were talking about the show topics, and that the work of women like Audrey Lord and

Kimberley Crenshaw, who actually was the person who coined the phrase intersectionality in

the in the eighties, and the work of women like Bell Hooks are what led to third wave

feminism. Um, you have first and second wave feminism That really didn’t incorporate intersectionality

in these. These other Ways of being different that act on people at the same time it didn’t.

It was really You have books like and I remember being in a woman’s studies class And we read

this book. It was the feminine mistake and I was in this women studies class and it was

all white women and me and we read The Feminine Mistake and the feminine mistake is all is

a collection of interviews of basically middle and upper class white women college educ Ted,

who were experiencing this kind of males because they were relegated to the home. They were

relegated to

bruce_anthony: Hm.

j__aundrea: being housewives. This is. you know. This

is the forties and fifties. I believe so they could only be secretaries, teachers or housewives,

and most of them

bruce_anthony: Right.

j__aundrea: when you get to a certain economic status,

your housewife right, And they’re like we went to college and we did all these things

and all we get to be is housewives and we’re all depressed and we did a little round table

and everybody Talked about it and it got to me and I said, this is the dumbest thing I’ve

ever read in my entire life.

bruce_anthony: Oh,

j__aundrea: I said because black women have always been

outside of the home, always since we landed on these shores, black women have always worked

outside of the home for other people, And this doesn’t take into account poor people

who have to work. This doesn’t take into account uneducated people. This is the most biased

piece of Literature I’ve ever read.

bruce_anthony: What was the response to that?

j__aundrea: The professor was like Exactly Next. We’re

talking about intersectionality, So I was

bruce_anthony: Wow?

j__aundrea: the only one there.

bruce_anthony: right

j__aundrea: They were like. Yeah, My grandma used to have

the same issue was like. Yeah, not mine. She always worked.

bruce_anthony: Right. So I found the quote,

j__aundrea: Okay.

bruce_anthony: my friend, said, White women will always protect

white mail supremacy because they still benefit from the closeness to the power of the husbands,

brothers and dads.

j__aundrea: Exactly so because you are still operating

within that white supremsis framework, even while you’re trying to separate yourself from

sex, ism right that you’re facing. you’re still using the tools of a white supremacies

framework, which is excluding and erasing the voices of other women. And it’s not just

black women, Is all women of color as women of different economic status, older women,

Young women. It’s the differently abled is all its queer women. It’s all of that that

bruce_anthony: Well,

j__aundrea: you

bruce_anthony: Audrey

j__aundrea: are

bruce_anthony: Lord,

j__aundrea: dismissing.

bruce_anthony: right, well, Audrey Lord, That was some of

her major points like she made it a real point of emphasis

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: of arguing the important and embracing and

celebrating diversity, rather than trying to erase it and make everybody the same. And

it is that that conflict

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: that American conflict where people come here

and they’re taught to assimilate

j__aundrea: Right,

bruce_anthony: to succeed. But when you assimilate, maybe

you succeed, but you lose a sense of yourself

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: And that’s that’s what. everything about America

is borrowed. it. There’s nothing that’s truly our own,

j__aundrea: Regt.

bruce_anthony: And it is because people have come here and

I shared their diversity.

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: I mean, we’ll bascardize it like Italian food

is not the. American. Italian food is not Italian food,

j__aundrea: Not

bruce_anthony: like

j__aundrea: even close.

bruce_anthony: Mexican food. Like you know, I say to somebody

a year now We’re gonna celebrate Niche de Marie. Were you gonna go to Taco Bell? No,

j__aundrea: No,

bruce_anthony: that’s that’s not celebrating it

j__aundrea: Literally,

bruce_anthony: So

j__aundrea: a white man with no Mexican heritage, he wanted

to come up with a different way to do the hamburger. And so he did the taco, And that’s

all Taco Bell Is, it’s nothing. no Mexican connection at all. No,

bruce_anthony: Okay. That didn’t know that,

j__aundrea: yes,

bruce_anthony: So her work is so vital

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: and important and should be celebrated more

so than it is now. because I think a lot of people really don’t know who she was and didn’t

understand how much of a trail blazer for the things that she was talking about sixty

years ago,

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: almost sixty five years ago, right sixty years

ago, and how vital and important That fight continues on today, which is incredible. that

still fighting for literally the same things which is important that people like her are

forgotten, and it is also important to understand her awards. she won award, she won an American

book award.

j__aundrea: Hm.

bruce_anthony: She had a fellowship from the National Endowment

of Arts. She had the Audrelid project. After she passed away, Is a community organization

center for the L, g, B, T, Q. community and people of color Was founded in her honor in

New York City. Like to say that she isn’t honored, Isn’t completely the truth, but she

isn’t celebrated as much as she should be, and we shouldn’t solely celebrate her just

in black history one, but also because its Black history month, we’re gonna give you

a little bit of game and tell you who who and what she is, and what she about

j__aundrea: I think that’s fantastic. Yeah.

bruce_anthony: You say. That’s it for the day right. That’s

the way that gave him. That gave him the wrong rail. And that’s it

j__aundrea: Well, I had somebody I’m actually reading

currently reading a book about her.

bruce_anthony: Okay?

j__aundrea: I’m reading her. Well, I’m reading their autobiography

and it is a okay. so I’m trying to think of how best to introduce a person who is extremely

vital to Um. civil rights Law. A lot of the Supreme Court cases that gave black people

the rights that they have today. their name is Polly Murray, Um. Polly was a lawyer and

a gender equity advocate. I had never heard of Polly Murray. I don’t even remember how

I came across Polly Murray. Um, but something. I don’t remember how I came across Polly Mur,

But I bought her autobiography or her big. No, it is her autobiography immediately because

I had to know who this person was. Her work in law and theory is the groundwork that people

like Third Good Marshal used in a lot of land mark cases, Including. I think I heard about

her due to Rove Wade, Because her work, her theory at the time now, remember this is a

person. Well, you know

bruce_anthony: What time frame are we talking about?

j__aundrea: we are talking about. She was born in nineteen

ten. So we’re

bruce_anthony: Oh, we.

j__aundrea: talking about somebody who was active during

the thirties and forties. Ed. Okay, and so Pauli Murray is queer, She he? they? Damn,

I’m struggling. they were. I want to say non binary.

bruce_anthony: Hm,

j__aundrea: They would be an appropriate use of. I think

they would be the appropriate pronoun. Um.

bruce_anthony: They them.

j__aundrea: They then was non binary Um. They were, did

their graduate the post graduate work at Harvard Law School at Howard, So she went to.

bruce_anthony: M.

j__aundrea: They went to both. J. S received her doctor

It in juraditial science from Yale,

bruce_anthony: Oh,

j__aundrea: Uh, incrredibly

bruce_anthony: who?

j__aundrea: brilliant, and was really working on Racial

and racial equity, and and Um, women’s rights civil rights, writing a lot of legal theory

at a time where people like them were not, were completely dismissed.

bruce_anthony: Absolutely you’re talking about the thirties

and forties.

j__aundrea: Er, yes,

bruce_anthony: I mean, Andrew Lord didn’t really start writing

about that stuff until the sixties,

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: so she wasn’t writing about that in the thirties

and forties, So this is this, pre dates Audrey Lord,

j__aundrea: Um, Co, founder of the National Organization

for Women,

bruce_anthony: M,

j__aundrea: M, appointed by President John F. Kennedy

to serve in the Presidential Commission on the Status of Women. She, Ruth Baiter, Ginsburg

named her as the Co offer of an a c L. U. brief on the landmark Supreme Court case Read

V Read, which says that administrators of estates cannot discriminate between sexes,

so a lot of ground break. I mean, her theory is what all of these people Used in these

landmark Supreme Court cases at a time where they were being completely dismissed and laughed

at. For these theories,

bruce_anthony: So they would be considered the

j__aundrea: The grandparent

bruce_anthony: Big.

j__aundrea: of all of

bruce_anthony: Yeah,

j__aundrea: a lot of civil rights and feminist legal cases

that were one. They are the grandparent of that.

bruce_anthony: They are the Big Bang of L. G, B, T. Q, right,

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: You know how wrapped that all together and

j__aundrea: Yes,

bruce_anthony: I’m smart, too.

j__aundrea: yes,

bruce_anthony: I got some things to say. No, Wow, I did not.

And this person’s name again is what

j__aundrea: Polly, Polly Murray,

bruce_anthony: Paul Murray. He all look up Paul Murray. I

had no idea about this. you know, maybe on solicited perspective when we start getting

in the production of television and movie we do a movie about about them because I feel

like this person needs to be celebrated more than not more, but needs to be Lebrated because

I had no idea who this person is.

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: It’s always somebody in the background that’s

doing all the work.

j__aundrea: It’s always a queer black woman. I’m gonna

be honest with you. That’s what it is. It’s always that. I mean, worked alongside Martin

Luther King Junior and Rosa Parks.

bruce_anthony: I would. I would love to understand the dynamic

of that because

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: we can say in the black community for generations,

and even still today the l, g b t, Q community is kind of shunned even though

j__aundrea: Most of these activists and most of these

movements for civil rights are led. Black Lives Matter was tough, started by three queer

black women. Most of these things are started. and the people who on the are on the front

lines are black women and founds, And because we understand Um, and actually Polly, marry,

Coin de Fray, is Jane Crow, along with Jim Crow, talking about the way In which

bruce_anthony: M,

j__aundrea: segregation and these laws negatively affect

black women. In particular, Um,

bruce_anthony: M

j__aundrea: we understand that because we are at that

at the bottom,

bruce_anthony: The bottom.

j__aundrea: these, if we get liberated, everyone else

above us will as well

bruce_anthony: But I was my point was is that you, You had

them working with Martin Luther King, and and in the black community For generations,

Black community is shut away from the G b t Q community, even though L, g b t Q community

has always been in the black church, Right, but but By and large there’s a certain generation

of black folks. It is just using religion. As you know it’s wrong. God says it’s wrong,

and for Martin Luther King to be a pastor

j__aundrea: M

bruce_anthony: working with them

j__aundrea: Clearly non binary person.

bruce_anthony: And it doesn’t get discussed. Maybe if it

was more publicized,

j__aundrea: Hm, But

bruce_anthony: We we, as the black community, I’m saying

we, as a black community, saying me personally, I’m saying we, as the black community made,

it might look differently upon the l, g, b, t, Q community if we had known. If it’s taught

in an. even in our history courses. You went to Hover university. I took in Afrafrican

American history, of course at the University of Maryland. I didn’t even know how big the

l, g b t Q community was in the civil rights movement. More specifically the black l g

b t Q Community was. Had we known this information, maybe the black community buying large would

be more accepting of the l, g B T Q community, but it’s kind of been.

j__aundrea: Swept under the rug

bruce_anthony: Yes.

j__aundrea: we know, but we don’t know. We knew that James

Baultlan was gay. We knew Langston Hughes was gay. Mom’s Mable. Also

bruce_anthony: We don’t talk about that,

j__aundrea: non

bruce_anthony: though

j__aundrea: binary.

bruce_anthony: we know, even when people talk about James

Ball, when now who had a researgent? For some strange reason, he had a resurgent during

the pandemic. People were like, Have

j__aundrea: There

bruce_anthony: you decided?

j__aundrea: wasn’t there was a documentary. I am not.

bruce_anthony: But thought the documentary was before the

pandemic. I thought it came out before the pandemic.

j__aundrea: Yeah, but people were home and they were watching

stuff and they got to documentaries and they all saw. I’m not your negro. I saw it in theaters.

bruce_anthony: I ain’t see it in Dis.

j__aundrea: Hey, waited until they were home.

bruce_anthony: Then, all of a sudden it was clips on Instagram

and on Twitter and he was like Who is this person? I’m like You just now found out this

person, but even then,

j__aundrea: I have

bruce_anthony: even

j__aundrea: his

bruce_anthony: then,

j__aundrea: entire collection.

bruce_anthony: I bet you do,

j__aundrea: Well,

bruce_anthony: but even

j__aundrea: I didn’t have. Actually, it is Grandma’s collection.

Mom inherited it and then I got them, but they’re in the entire collection of his books.

bruce_anthony: I didn’t know that was Grandma’s conlection.

But even still, when people talk about him during his resurgence,

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: so to speak during the pandemic, wife brings

up the fact that he was gay. It’s like that and I would. I would think. What does the

l, g b T Q community like Say you know he was gay right?

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: Okay? Well, it didn’t reach me like, but I

knew that, but it’s not. It feels like it’s not reaching the masses. It feels like these

people that. it feels like there’s people in the black community that praise certain

groups that praise certain civil right leaders,

j__aundrea: Hm,

bruce_anthony: but at the same time talk down Pon the l,

g b t Q community. But they’re praising somebody in the l, g, p T Q community and just not

acknowledging it

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: And I think that’s a problem, but that’s that’s

neither. hear o, the and Oh, by the way, Yeah, we’ll talk about white supremacy, but we’ll

talk about our own Iss too

j__aundrea: Yeah,

bruce_anthony: like this. This is not a one sided thing with

us. On unsolicte

j__aundrea: You.

bruce_anthony: perspective, We we talk about the raw real.

No matter what side of the corn you are, we will we talk about white supremacy and we’ll

talk about the fact that he our own P. Be fed up to,

j__aundrea: But I mean people in the now in law at that

time, specifically women dealing with sex ism in the in trying to forward legal protections

against sex ism like R, B, G, Right, people working for race advocacy like their good

marshal, These people knew her. They were in the now, but the general public is not

in No, and

bruce_anthony: And

j__aundrea: that’s

bruce_anthony: I’m saying

j__aundrea: the

bruce_anthony: the general public, the general public needs

to be

j__aundrea: Yeah.

bruce_anthony: needs to be in it. Now. these things need

to be brought to light.

j__aundrea: Because the cool. The reason why she was often

dismissed in her time. Obviously not later, but in her time is because, like for example,

Um, in terms of segregation laws, she argued their unconstitutionality directly. not, She

didn’t do the whole well as long as it’s separate but equal. She

bruce_anthony: M.

j__aundrea: used psychology and sociology as wel As legal

theory to dispute its constitutionality completely. That segregation

bruce_anthony: M,

j__aundrea: was in itself unconstitutional. and her, of

course she’s dismissed. Now It’s separate but equals fine right.

bruce_anthony: Right,

j__aundrea: But Thuran Marshal used that theory for his

arguments in Brown versus the Board of Education,

bruce_anthony: M.

j__aundrea: so like, like I said A time, people in the

now knew her, knew her as an influential person, but anyone outside of that, Um, She, She argued,

that was the Fourteenth Amendment forbade sexual discrimination as well as racial discrimination.

Um. the Fourteenth Amendment being hell. What is the Fourteenth Amendment?

bruce_anthony: Don’t be bringing up stuff. if you ain’t got

th. He ain’t got the receipts on. Know what the Fourteenth Amendment is?

j__aundrea: Well, do you know it’s a civil?

bruce_anthony: No, I don’t know.

j__aundrea: I felt like there was a documentary on the

Fourteenth Amendment,

bruce_anthony: I don’t know.

j__aundrea: but it’s the

bruce_anthony: Eyes on the prize probably

j__aundrea: yeah.

bruce_anthony: taught us.

j__aundrea: yeah. it’s the Equal Protection under the

Law clause. That’s it. Um. But she argued in that John F. Kennedy commission that the

Fourteenth Amendment also forbade sexual discrimination and racial discrimination,

bruce_anthony: M

j__aundrea: Which people I don’t know that they hadn’t

considered, But to write it down in a Presidential Commission on the Status of women. I think

at the time the Fourteenth Amendment was specifically targeted towards racial discrimination, but

she was like, Don’t forget about women.

bruce_anthony: Right.

j__aundrea: Don’t forget about

bruce_anthony: So

j__aundrea: that ouknowthey.

bruce_anthony: so basically you come to this podcast to learn

and we’re gonna teach you something.

j__aundrea: Yes, so if you get in an opportunity, Um,

I am reading song in a weary throat, Um. actually, it was reissued as Pauli Murray, the autobiography

of a black activist feminist lawyer, priest and poet. It is an incredible read. It goes

through her entire life is her autobiography. She wrote it herself and it’s a great read.

It’s an easy read too,

bruce_anthony: So people out there when people approach and

they say they want to learn and they don’t know where to go to read. Those are some suggestions

j__aundrea: Since

bruce_anthony: right

j__aundrea: their

bruce_anthony: there. we’ve

j__aundrea: outsider

bruce_anthony: given you

j__aundrea: in the autobiography of Polly Murray, learn,

bruce_anthony: There,

j__aundrea: some

bruce_anthony: you go,

j__aundrea: people read

bruce_anthony: there you go, And since, on that note Black

History Month,

j__aundrea: Hm.

bruce_anthony: so go ahead and do your sign or Black History

Month,

j__aundrea: Happy Black History Month all.

bruce_anthony: And I’m holler.